Knowing your value, HR head games and a “Sesh”

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Knowing your value, HR head games and a "Sesh"
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Thoughts Off The Stem is a cannabis infused comedy podcast, baked with stoner philosophy, cannabis and comedy. There is no topic off the table including a whole lot of social commentary smothered in sarcasm, loaded with relatable humor, weed facts, high thoughts, self improvement, pop culture and personal growth. So, roll one up, load the bong, hit a dab, or don”t, cause TOTS is for everyone. But don’t deny yourself the awesome and Join the Sesh with host Justin Barone.

We’re always telling people to know their value. Don’t accept anything less in life than what you’re worth. Except when it comes to working. Your value is what they tell you it is. And whatever you think your worth is lie.

The economy sucks, unemployment is up and everyone is fighting for scraps. Mean while we’ve got dudes on the internet calling us idiots for answering when asked our salary expectations in an interview.

Apparently it’s a trap for idiots.

Well sign me as idiot number one, cause I always answer that question. Apparently it’s a bad idea because it’s an HR trick. You should answer with “I have to talk to my family about that” and avoid the question.

How about, don’t ask the question if you don’t expect an answer. Why are these dudes playing games in job interviews?

Why do we insist on playing with people? Can’t we just be truthful? Toying with the unemployed in an interview over salary expectations is on par with teasing the homeless with a home cooked meal.

Instead of being giant D bags, how about being transparent and upfront about what you expect. You’re not a troll guarding a bridge asking potential bridge goers 3 questions to cross.

Hope you enjoy the sesh

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Manufacturing is for Robots, THC is for Back Pain and TOTS is for Everyone

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Manufacturing is for Robots, THC is for Back Pain and TOTS is for Everyone
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Thoughts Off The Stem is a cannabis infused comedy podcast, baked with stoner philosophy, cannabis and comedy. There is no topic off the table including a whole lot of social commentary smothered in sarcasm, loaded with relatable humor, weed facts, high thoughts, self improvement, pop culture and personal growth. Roll one up, load the bong, hit a dab, or don”t cause TOTS is for everyone, but don’t miss out on all the awesome and Join the Sesh with host Justin Barone.

It’s been a while since I got to sesh with you folks. Things got a little squirely over here and I had a hard time finding a job. Well I finally found one and I was finally able to have a sesh.

A lot has happened in the past month and after adjusting to split shifts and standing in one place for 10 hrs a day I finally have a few things worth talking about.

Had a solid conversation with my dad about his back pain and how to manage it, also that he might want to consider surgery as his issue is not just muscle related as his doctors assessment mentioned.

So this sesh is all about the new job, the things I didn’t expect, clearing the air about how THC and CBD help back pain together and how weird the world of manufacturing is.

Hope you enjoy the Sesh.

When you think thoughts, what do you see?

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When you think thoughts, what do you see?
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This week on Thoughts Off The Stem, Justin dives into a massive realization about the human brain that took him way too long to figure out—and it’s the kind of high thoughts topic that completely changes how you look at the people around you.It starts with a simple question that always derails a good conversation: when you think a thought, what do you actually see or hear inside your head?Most of us spend our entire lives assuming that everyone else’s brain has the exact same default settings as ours. For me, it’s always been a random mix. Sometimes I have a clear inner monologue chatting away, sometimes I see words written out like subtitles, sometimes it’s a movie, and other times it’s just total silence. You assume that’s just how the human mind works.But when you actually bring it up in the circle, reality breaks.You find out one friend has a non-stop, 24/7 internal voice that literally never shuts up. Another person looks at you like you’re crazy because they’ve never heard a voice or seen a visual image in their entire life—they just feel the thought, do the action, and move on. Then you have the people who only think in vivid pictures, or the ones who only see text.If you love a good unfiltered podcast packed with relatable humor and observational humor, this episode is a trip. It turns out we aren’t just interpreting ideas differently. Our brains are literally running entirely different operating systems under the hood.If we can’t even experience the inside of our own foreheads the same way, how the hell are we ever supposed to understand each other? Tune in for some real talk, plenty of sarcastic humor, and the ultimate deep dive into how our minds actually function.Discovering how differently people think—from a constant inner monologue to total visual aphantasia—is a wild reminder of why we need a good cannabis comedy show to break down how weird the human experience really is. If you’re looking for a cannabis podcast that blends cannabis culture with cannabis infused comedy and mind-bending stoner comedy, you’ve found it. This is comedy podcast gold that will have you questioning your own mind.

Could You Survive Prison: Sesh Hypotheticals, Hear Me Out

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Could You Survive Prison: Sesh Hypotheticals, Hear Me Out
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This week on Thoughts Off The Stem, Justin goes down a true crime rabbit hole and lands on the one question every guy has asked himself at least once — could you actually survive prison?

It starts the way all great sesh conversations do. Someone asks if they could take Mike Tyson. Someone else wants to know how many guys they could fight at once. Then that one dude in the circle — you know exactly who he is — announces he’d destroy a pack of wolves, go full Navy SEAL on anyone who touched his family, and could absolutely take five guys at once. Shut up Carl.

But then the real question hits. If we’re all so tough, could we actually survive jail?

The reality check is brutal. You’re not Jason Statham. You’re a blue collar dad who was mowing the lawn yesterday, having tea parties with a three year old, and giving your wife foot massages. Now you’re supposed to walk into the yard and cold cock a gang member with a full dad bod, a touch of arthritis, and zero training.

Yeah. Right.

This one hits different. 🌿

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Everyone Just Wants To Be Right All The Time

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Everyone Just Wants To Be Right All The Time
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This week on Thoughts Off The Stem, Justin is fired up. Like genuinely, properly fired up.

A UFC commentator texts the president about psychedelics on a Saturday. By Monday he’s in the Oval Office. Men are hitting themselves in the face with hammers to get dates. Africa is literally cracking in half. And somehow in the middle of all of this absolute madness, strangers on the internet decided Justin is a bad dad. Because of comedy clips.

Everyone just wants to be right all the time. Nobody wants to laugh. Nobody wants to look inward. They just want to find a stranger online and unload on them instead of dealing with their own stuff.

This week’s episode is a high energy, zero filter rant about the world, the angry people in the comments, and the one thing everyone needs to hear but nobody wants to say out loud.

Spoiler: the real reason you’re mad at strangers says a lot more about you than it does about them. 🌿

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Swiss Chalet: They’re Supposed to Be Good at Chicken

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This week on Thoughts Off The Stem, Justin takes on the one restaurant that had one job — cook the chicken — and somehow couldn’t pull it off.

A night out at Swiss Chalet with the girlfriend turns into a full investigation when the chicken arrives looking suspicious, the tables are sticky, the host is MIA, and one overworked waitress is holding the entire operation together with sheer will and apologies.

Then the Dude For Real segment takes it further with the most disgusting restaurant horror stories the internet has to offer — bandaid burgers, cockroach coleslaw, salad bugs, and things that will make you seriously reconsider eating out ever again.

Plus this week’s Weed Facts breaks down how to make cannabutter — because after hearing these restaurant stories you’re going to want to cook at home anyway.

You had one job, Swiss Chalet. One job.

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Conned By Cuteness: Kids Are Shapeshifters, Hear Me Out

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They start cute. Cuddly. Irresistible. And then something happens.

This week on Thoughts Off The Stem, Justin breaks down the greatest long con in human history — parenthood. Conspiracy theorists have been out here looking for shapeshifters, and they’ve been right under our noses the whole time. They’re called children.

From adorable babies who trick you into loving them, to teenagers who drain your wallet, ignore your rules, stink up the house, and act like they built it — this is a raw, unfiltered, comedic rant about the reality of raising kids nobody warned you about.

Single dad. Three teenagers. One boy, two girls. Zero chill.

If you have kids, you’ll feel this in your soul. If you don’t have kids, consider this your warning.

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Meta Glasses: Kiss Privacy GoodBye

Meta glasses are cool. Walking through life like you’re in Minority Report is genuinely impressive. But when they’re on, they’re on — and they see everything.

This week on Thoughts Off The Stem Justin Barone breaks down the real world problems that developers and consumers never think about until it’s too late. Meta glasses recording things nobody consented to. Tesla owners blindsided by a $25,000 battery replacement bill. And the fundamental disconnect between building cool technology and actually thinking about how people will use it in the real world.

If you’re recording with your face you’d think — you’d think about that.

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Meta Glasses: Kiss Privacy GoodBye
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Weed Facts this week: The newest cannabis impairment detection technology using VR headsets and eye tracking — boasting 98% accuracy. Your eyes tell on you every time.

Dude For Real this week: Meta workers are blowing the whistle on what they’ve actually seen through users smart glasses. It’s exactly as disturbing as you’d expect.

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We go deeper on the Meta privacy lawsuit, the Tesla battery disaster, Gaize impairment technology and the full Dude For Real breakdown of what Meta workers have actually seen through users smart glasses.

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Give A Big F**k You to Privacy with Meta Glasses
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Give A Big F**k You to Privacy with Meta Glasses
Thoughts Off The Stem | Cannabis Infused Comedy0:01
New tech is pretty awesome, right?
The gadgets.
That come from it are pretty cool, but I have a question.
Do the developers and the consumers really think about the problems once it’s released into the wild?
Because I don’t think that they do dude.
I think that consumers are just more concerned about having the latest flashy gadget and developers are more concerned with how that gadget or technology functions.
0:23
Once it’s released, not the real world application.
And the problems that come with it.
Welcome to Thoughts off the Stem.
Thanks for.
Joining the sesh with me, Justin.
Peroni, I hope that life is being good to you.
And if you’re looking to elevate your sesh, visit tots420.com/sesh for my hand picked sesh essentials.
0:41
That’s right, I’m helping you make your sesh.
Better baby.
And this week we’re talking about the technology like meta glasses, Tesla.
Two, you know that that gets released.
That we don’t necessarily think about what the problems.
Are going to be once it’s out there.
0:59
Let’s take meta glasses for.
And for example.
Right.
Once you have them on and they’re on, they’re on.
They see.
Everything dude, and as cool as it would be to like.
Walk through life like you’re in Minority Report or Free Guy and you just, you know, you can like swipe as you’re walking down the street.
1:16
Check your social media, do an e-mail.
Whatever it is, that shit’s pretty cool.
I got it.
I want it too.
But they’re always on, man.
So like.
If you go to shave your balls and you forget.
That you’ve got them on.
Guess what?
That’s going in the meta database, baby your.
1:34
Balls and your technique are there forever.
I remember when I was a kid, because I have a heart condition, I had to use it.
Like I had to wear a halter monitor on checkup sometimes and I was.
Worried and like from the ages of 14 to 18 that the doctors could tell when I, you know, tried to rub.
1:53
One out like because.
Whose heart rate spikes at 10:30 at night when you’re supposed to be sleeping as a 1415 year old?
Yeah, that’s right.
That’s me.
I wasn’t.
Boning anybody but I was worried about it so.
Think about it.
In terms of this, now that technology is wearable, right, Meta glasses are the latest wearable tech, and they’re supposed to like really, you know, move technology forward.
2:20
But if you forget to take one off and you sneak off to go play with your.
Pecker for an hour and those you’ve shot your own POV porn basically right?
How do we not think that this?
Is like it this?
Where are you not worried about this?
2:37
People, when they buy stuff like that don’t.
Think about it.
They don’t think about it at all.
It’s like it’s.
Like back when Tesla first came out and people started the the first generation owners.
Would go in for.
A service.
And they find out that the battery’s dying like it’s a.
2:53
It’s an electronic.
Device and now all of a sudden you have.
A25K Bill because you have to replace your engine.
Like what are we talking about here?
Do people?
Need to think man.
Like if I go buy a car, I’m asking some questions.
I’m asking what the service?
3:08
What the services?
Are what the?
Cost of repairs are.
And whether I should worry about engine, how long it’s going to?
Last, the same thing with electronics, don’t you?
Generally ask like.
Hey, what, how?
What is the like?
What’s the?
The recharge period What?
3:24
Do I need to know for urging this what?
How?
Long is the.
Battery life like.
If you buy a Tesla.
Which is basically a large piece of electronic.
Equipment aren’t isn’t that like one of the first things that you’re going to ask?
You think they’re?
Just going to give you a.
Free engine, like you can’t go to Ford with the OR I mean Ford with a Mustang.
3:41
OK, and and.
Go Oh my engine blew.
Can you give me a new one?
No, you’ve got to buy a new engine.
Like nobody asked this, nobody thought about it, nobody.
Nobody took.
Into account.
That this was happening right and now.
People aren’t.
Taking into account when you.
Buy things like.
3:57
Meta glasses, they’re always.
Recording man, they record.
Everything you do, that’s fucking terrifying.
It’s terrifying as as a person that like if I see somebody walking down the street, they’re recording to me, maybe I’m doing something I shouldn’t do.
You can.
I don’t like the idea that we are in.
4:14
Minority Report, dude, we’re going to start.
Getting ping for crimes as people walk down the street.
It’s crazy.
It’s crazy.
It’s crazy dude.
You forget about the fact that you you know that these things are all all have components that die and suffer or.
4:38
Components that record.
Constantly and then.
We, we don’t think about the problem that happens later on once it’s being used on a regular basis.
Like for example, you know, you go into Tesla, you can’t figure out why the why the battery died.
4:53
And they thought, well, that’s just the end of the life of the battery.
Well, what about?
This OK?
You wear meta glasses.
All of a sudden one day you walk into work and everybody’s staring at you.
They’re snickering and they’re.
Laughing because you.
And your.
Partner, we’re having a little bit of amateur bedroom fun time and you forgot to take the glasses off.
5:12
Well, now all of a sudden you have a.
You have an.
Amateur POV porn video on Pornhub.
Great.
You got to think about these things and that’s why I say like developers are really good at developing the products.
5:29
They’re good at developing the technology.
But they kind of suck at people.
Like they don’t really think about all the things that people are going to do and.
And how people.
Are going to use it and the fact that people forget.
That they’re wearing.
These things because glasses, if you’re, if you wear glasses or a hat even, like anything, sometimes you don’t.
5:47
You don’t think?
About having it on.
You forget it becomes natural, becomes.
Regular.
That you forget that these things are on and recording every.
Movement, you know.
Dude and consumers don’t think about the the end result long run situation like consumers.
6:05
Get pissed off because like, well this is doing this and I didn’t know it.
Would do that if you.
Buy a camera.
That is.
Connected to the Internet, whether it’s on a laptop.
Whether it’s whatever, OK, Bluetooth, whatever it is.
You can pretty much.
Guarantee that.
6:21
In some way, somehow, somebody can get in that and start recording.
Whatever that camera sees.
So if you buy met a glass of wood, is there just supposed to be like a magical switch within it that goes Oh my God nudity off?
I mean, maybe.
That’s actually a good idea.
But consumers don’t think about that because they want the flashiest thing they want to show off to their friends.
6:38
They want to be.
The cool.
Dude in the group, you know, it’s kind of fucked up, dude.
It’s fucked up that we think about that.
We don’t think about those things, even though we should.
Because.
Even though it’s technology and it’s relatively new.
The the the.
Standard like questions and practices and purchasing things.
6:56
Purchasing products.
Of any kind should still apply, and as a consumer you should still be aware and thinking about it.
You shouldn’t just run out.
And go, oh, everything’s just going to work peachy there’s.
Always like Tesla batteries.
Are dying, people didn’t know when.
They bought the Tesla that they had to get a new.
A new engine, essentially, right?
7:13
And they come in and now they’re all pissed off.
Well, like the.
The the.
Developers and.
The and the companies that make these.
Things should probably.
Put in very large print like we have.
Warning labels on.
You know, like what?
Like ingredients and and whether.
7:30
Things are toxic for you, Maybe we need to start doing that at the top of every.
Product like sheet when you’re when you’re buying it, it should be in bold like hey.
These are the things that you can do with it, but also remember.
Turn it off.
7:47
You know, I just think it’s funny, man.
I think it’s funny because consumers, people don’t think about that and then.
They get all riled up when it happens and they can’t, they can’t figure out or they don’t understand that, you know, they have kind of, they have responsibility.
8:04
To know these things I also.
Think that the companies that produce them also have a responsibility to explain to the to the buyer that hey like this could happen.
Right.
And I know that not everybody.
Is going to read the fine print or read a a contract or anything like that but.
8:19
At the same time there should.
Be some level of hey.
Just pay attention to this although.
You know, if you’re recording something.
With your face, you’d think that that would be.
A thought that you have in your head that like I shouldn’t keep this on all the time and if my wife is in the bathroom butt ass naked, maybe I take the glasses off and point them out of wall.
8:42
So this week’s weed facts.
That’s right, this week we have some weed facts.
Are about technology.
That helps with hang on here.
Let me just see because I forgot what it was.
Weed facts.
That help with.
8:58
That.
It’s the newest tech available to help determine cannabis impairment.
That’s right, cannabis consumer attention cannabis consumer.
So this week’s Weed Facts.
Are from.
A site called.
Tobywithtwoeyes.com and it’s called the articles called.
9:17
Guarding sober roads and workplaces, basically.
What this?
Is is new technology in VR?
Headset that allows.
Police to do better roadside inebriation tests or under the influence.
9:37
Tests basically this.
Company Toby makes.
A software that.
Detects eye movement and and eye function to determine whether or not you’re under the influence.
9:54
At the moment of cannabis.
And other substances.
So this is what the article said, the effects of THC.
Are not easily quantifiable through to, through to.
Traditional chemical tests since the amount of THC in the body is not correlated with impairment.
10:13
So basically what that means is you could take you could smoke weed on a Friday and still test positive.
On a Sunday.
But it doesn’t necessarily.
Mean that you’re under the influence at the time.
So THC and its.
Metabolites can remain.
In the body for an extended period, making it impossible to determine if impairment is current, currently being experienced, or if someone has just simply used cannabis previously.
10:37
Officers have tested for impairment using a battery of physical and eye movement tests, while the tests they use have been shown to accurately detect impairment.
Human error and.
Subject and subjectivity are common arguments.
Against their use.
The accuracy.
10:53
Of the assessment by drug recognition.
Officers is typically around 60 to 80. 5% so you get a lot of, you know, human factor, human error in that.
Because like, I mean, realistically you could also.
Have people that have a bias and then they just decide because you’re a sketchy individual or you have, you know, ADHD or some shit and you’re not paying attention, that you’re under the influence when you’re not actually under the influence.
11:16
So Gaze is a software company dedicated to accurately assessing impairment for the purpose of SAFE.
Driving and working and working enforcement.
So not only are they going to use this for like police.
Officers and stuff, but it’s also a way.
For people that work in industrial, in the industrial industry to, to make sure that the people that drive their heavy equipment and all that fun stuff are not under the influence at work, right or while they’re operating these machines.
11:45
So at the heart of its innovation.
Is their impairment testing platform a?
Rapid and portable.
Automated.
Detection Detection system specifically designed to recognize the effects of cannabis, alcohol, opiates, and.
Other drug impairment.
The gaze solution.
12:00
Runs the same.
Eye test that police officers.
Do in an automated fashion using AVR headset.
With the help of.
Toby Eye tracking and Toby Ocumen.
These tests include a high precision ocular motion and pupillary reflex analysis measuring subtle changes in eye.
12:18
Movement that indicate.
Impairment.
See, so you’re going to it’s.
Like you’re playing, you know, like.
If you’re impaired and you get pulled over and you got to put one of these.
VR things on.
And it’s scanning your eyes.
Dude, I don’t know, it’s going to take some time for the public to like, I feel like even if you’re not high, your eyes may.
12:35
React that way, but maybe not.
If you want, you can read the article, it’s on top. 4. 20.com in the weed fact section.
So this software, the gaze.
Solution stuff it.
Boasts a 98% accuracy.
12:51
In detecting that ended in.
Detecting the same signs of impairment that law enforcement.
Officers look for.
So basically it’s obviously.
It takes it takes the error away from it.
Now obviously we all know that programs can have problems.
But people can also have.
13:06
Problems programs tend to have less problems.
I think your bigger problem is deleting that thing by accident or having to redo it, but it makes it.
I guess it makes.
It’s supposed to make the.
Officer’s job easier and then?
Help with, you know, the actual like court proceedings and stuff like that because it will become admissible as as evidence to prove versus, you know, the officer himself, the individual trying to prove it.
13:34
So, yeah, so that’s the way the technology’s going.
And that is one of the ways that at least law enforcement is trying to crack down on impairment.
Attaching terrorist consumer.
13:52
If you’re going to get meta glasses, I would say that you should probably read the user.
Manual it may.
Be the one thing on the planet that you should absolutely read the user manual.
Because here’s the thing.
OK, not only is it.
14:10
Recording whatever you’re.
Doing it’s it’s saving, downloading.
And and keeping a.
Record on meta services.
Of what it sees.
So if you and your wife were trying to have or you and your partner, we’re trying to have some happy time, fun time and you.
14:30
Thought you.
Were in the privacy of your own home.
But you had on your meta glasses.
Guess what?
Meta.
Sees how you do it.
There are.
Literally people out there looking for.
Going through all of the data that comes from these glasses.
14:48
Now this has.
Also caused Meta to catch a lawsuit from at least two people in the US and a bunch of countries are now investigating it because.
How as a company?
That, you know, is supposed to follow privacy laws.
15:06
How are you?
Going to now defy.
All of those privacy laws.
And have have people’s most.
Personal Personal moments saved on a.
Server like.
I don’t want to, you know, make any assumptions about Mark Zuckerberg and Meta AI, but like sounds to me like there may be a little bit of a perv situation going on because why would you want to keep that data?
15:32
Shouldn’t it have?
Shouldn’t it have a like set parameter for the type of data that it stores?
Not just everything like, oh, my Dick fell out.
Look at that like if you’re.
At a ball game and you’re wearing meta glasses, right?
And you go to the urinal and you go to take a leak.
You now have 50 Dicks.
15:48
A video of 50 Dicks on your on your meta.
Glasses and Zuckerberg is just like yeah filed out under D for big Dick or BD for big Dicks.
Like.
You got to be kidding me.
So this week’s dude for.
Real segment is.
All.
16:05
About the revolt, I guess from from employees of Meta and a couple.
Of the.
Consumers against Meta.
Glasses dude.
For real.
For real, dude.
So this week’s dude.
16:20
For Real segment comes from boardpanda.com and.
The article’s called Meta Workers reveal some of the disturbing things they’ve.
Seen through user smart.
Glasses.
That’s right, like I told you.
They’re recording you always, as if.
16:36
CCTV wasn’t.
Enough and being able to look through.
Laptops wasn’t enough or whatever, you know.
Like now they’re actually giving you a product that essentially spies on you because you forget about it.
And you don’t turn it off.
And you you don’t do what you should do as a.
16:51
As a as a, you know, educated consumer, that’s right.
SO2US citizens have filed a lawsuit.
In San Francisco against Meta.
Over consumer privacy violations.
The lawsuit accuses.
Mark Zuckerberg’s company of false.
17:06
Advertising and disregarding privacy laws?
No shit.
It still gets me bad.
Like you’re sitting there watching like I get, OK, So even if let’s say.
You didn’t do this accidentally.
Let’s say that, you know, some people like to film their own home videos.
17:23
You know what I’m saying?
Let’s say you did this on purpose.
That video is still on.
Like you.
There’s no more days of like, Oh my God, I sold the sex tape at a garage sale.
There’s Oh my God, Mark Zuckerberg has my sex tape immediately.
Like you may as well just be a straight line to that shit, you know?
17:41
So Kenyan subcontractor that that basically reviews.
All of the.
Data the employees of that company.
Blew.
The whistle on Meta’s alleged privacy breach.
So in some videos, this is what, this is what 1 employee said.
17:56
They’re all anonymous because obviously they’re worried about their jobs.
But in some videos you can see someone going to the toilet.
Or getting undressed.
I don’t think they know because if they knew they wouldn’t be recording, another said.
I saw a video where a man puts the glasses on the bedside table and then leaves the room shortly afterwards his wife.
18:15
Comes in and changes her clothes now.
Like dude.
Come on, there’s got to be like a safety switch, you know, like.
I don’t know.
There’s got to be a way for it.
Like if if there’s got to be like a motion like you can shake your phone.
And send a problem.
Report to Instagram, right?
18:31
Can you not?
Remove your glasses.
And send an off report.
Like what?
Are we talking about here?
One data monitor warned.
We see.
Everything bro.
From living rooms to naked bodies.
Meta has that type of.
18:46
Content in its.
Databases people can record themselves in the wrong way.
And not even know what they’re recording.
It’ll imagine you’re texting OK and.
You text something.
That, you know, might be worrisome to like public safety or.
19:03
Committing a crime?
It sees that too.
Like dude, this is exactly minority Minority report, man.
I would be worried.
I’m not buying that shit.
It’s right up there with.
Like Neuralink?
Oh my God, you want to have a thing in your head that’s going to record everything you do and see?
19:19
You got to be fucking kidding me.
Why?
Why?
Why?
Are we doing this?
I get love and tech but it just seems like this.
Is all kinds of problems.
And terrifying at the same time.
Another.
Another.
Person said you.
Understand that it’s someone’s private.
19:34
Life that you’re looking at.
But at the same time.
You’re just expected to carry out the work.
You’re not support.
You’re not supposed to.
Question it because.
You might lose your job, that’s what That’s what these.
Like the?
Bosses and the supervisor there.
You can’t even be like, hey, this is wrong.
19:51
And the Super I like fuck you, then I’ll find someone else that’ll do.
It it’s almost.
Like, you know, in the military, like you.
Maybe you don’t.
Want to drop the bomb?
Maybe you don’t.
Want to be.
The remote pilot of a drone that’s going to kill 100,000 people or whatever it is, but there’s another dude that’s just going to take that seat because they need the money.
20:07
It’s the same as this.
And even though there’s like this, you know, pretty solid.
Data breach privacy issue or not data breach privacy issue right you you’d think that they would you know, kind of flip the script on it a bit and be like let’s.
20:22
Be very careful.
Nope, not matter.
Matter is like, you get that shit in there and you record it.
I don’t care what you see, just watch it like.
Jesus Christ, so.
Matter is being investigated by the governments of multiple.
Countries.
And now they’re being dubbed the Pervert Glasses.
Yeah, that’s right, dude.
20:39
For real.
For real, dude.
So the moral of the story for this week?
Is pretty simple.
Actually be.
Educated on the.
Technology that you buy.
Understand what it does, what its capabilities are, and know what you’re getting into before the before your your freshly shorn nut sack or your adult activities end up on a Meta server that Mark Zuckerberg and his cronies and.
21:10
His buddies.
Can look for can like pull up at the drop of a hat, you know, just.
Oh, I want to see.
Hairy nuts.
You know, and then there it is.
And he could show all his buddies.
So just think about that.
Think about when you’re buying a Tesla or any electric car, you’re going to have to replace the battery at some point.
21:30
So you may as well understand what the maintenance costs are.
Just think about it the with.
The rise of technology and the evolution of of AI and and.
All the the cool gadgets that were that are supposed to help us evolve as a as a human.
Race, you know.
21:46
We should still be.
Concerned and.
Worried and think about and, and, and know what we’re getting into because we need to, we need to, we need to keep our privacy private.
I know that in this day and age, that’s very hard to do, But I don’t think that, you know, I don’t think that it’s a, it’s a good idea to start implanting or putting on things that record your every move and every action because like, I don’t know, that just seems, that just seems common sense to me.
22:17
That’s what I think and those are my thoughts off the stem for this week.
I hope you enjoyed the sesh.
I hope you come back next week with me, Justin Peroni on thoughts off the stem.
Oh I’ve also I also started a new merch store so check out.
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Shop go to TOTS 4. 20.com in the menu you’ll see a shop button.
22:41
Hit the shop button and you can get some official TOTS merch.
That’s right.
And yeah, until next time as I use my.
Electronic device to.
Get my weed going.
Keep your lids low, baby.

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They Love to Say they Know a Stoner

Justin Barone, host of Thoughts Off The Stem podcast, in a yellow hoodie featuring a graphic overlay that reads: Everyone Loves To Say They Know A Stoner - A Deep Dive in cannabis stigma normalization on Thoughts Off The Stem.

I spent the last year in job interviews trying to break into project management after leaving the cannabis industry.

And every single time — without fail — someone in a suit would pull me aside, lean in, and whisper that they know someone who smokes weed. Like it’s a secret. Like I’m supposed to react like they just told me they know Jesus.

Here’s what they don’t realize. I’ve walked into more interviews than I can count and recognized faces — not because I’m a great networker, but because I sold them weed.

Thoughts Off The Stem | Cannabis Infused Comedy
Thoughts Off The Stem | Cannabis Infused Comedy
They Love to Say they Know a Stoner
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This week on Thoughts Off The Stem it’s just a sesh. No segments. Just real talk about cannabis normalization, the stigma that won’t die, and why both sides of the debate need to take a breath.

The naysayers need to ease up. And honestly? We as the cannabis community need to stop pretending everything about weed is completely safe too. Progress is happening. Let’s act like it.

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They Love to Say they Know a Stoner
Thoughts Off The Stem | Cannabis Infused Comedy


0:00
One of my favorite jobs was when I worked at the pawn shop.
I mean, that was the best.
How often do you get to work at a place where you could describe things that are like offside, you know, like, not that I recommend doing this, but you can literally say to somebody, how fucked up do you want to get today?
0:19
And then try to sell them something.
It’s amazing.
It’s it’s pretty, it’s pretty fun, dude.
You can wear whatever you want.
You can have, like, questionable, you know, paraphernalia and emblazoned T-shirts.
0:37
You could do things however you kind of want to do them.
There’s like no real strict policies.
Like you, yeah, you have to talk.
You know, you have to be nice.
You have to, you know, it’d be inclusive and things like that.
But if you’re trying to make a sale or you’re trying to sell something, you can very easily.
Like, I don’t know how many times I had, you know, a university kid that I had helped find some really good flower, right?
1:00
And then he’d bring his buddies in and he’d be like, you need to talk to that guy, ’cause it’s Saturday or it’s Friday night and we want to get zooted or whatever the term is, right?
So they bring them over to me and the guy, I’d say, well, like, what do you want to do?
And they’re like, oh, we’re partying, dude.
We’re partying tonight, bro.
1:16
That’s what we’re doing.
And so I’d sit down and I’d set them up with, you know, the, the 8:00 PM, the 9:00 PM, ten PM, 111212 PM and or 2:00 AM all the way into the morning.
And you could just keep going and everything that I gave you, all of my selections would help move along the evening, you know, without getting you too, too overly pitched.
1:39
No, no face down in the toilet, no zonked out at the corner of a club.
No, none of that.
That was like one of my favorite job, favorite parts of the job.
The other part was being able, because I’m 44, being able to help people find what it is that they’re looking for and really understand what try what, what will help them alleviate the problem that they’re having.
2:00
But aside from that, because now I’ve stepped away from that, I’m trying to get into like project management.
I took AI, took a course on it and it, it fell in line with how I was the, my job, my job from the shop, I was an assistant manager.
2:16
So it kind of fell in line with that.
I was very, I was responsible for, you know, coaching and helping people move forward.
That was my thing.
But now moving into project management, I’ve stepped away from the cannabis industry, tried to go a little bit more mainstream.
Even though I love, even though I love cannabis, even though I love weed and I like doing my thing.
2:34
And it’s April, and it’s almost that time of year where it’s, you know, the cannabis, the canister is Christmas.
Yeah, that’s right.
Welcome to THOUGHTS off the STEM.
Thanks for joining me.
I’m Justin Peroni.
Hope life’s being good to you.
And today we’re just shooting the shit.
We’re going to have a sash, a proper sash.
Puff it out some 1964.
2:56
It’s an indica.
It’s nice and relaxing.
It’s nice and calm.
But yeah, so I’ve started to, you know, look into other industries to sort of like, I don’t know, I just, I found that the cannabis industry was just a little bit too chaotic, you know, and I always like to affect the things that I do.
3:15
I want to be able to progress.
I want to be able to move forward and I want to, I want to learn.
And when you work in a shop, you don’t necessarily have the opportunity to learn the way that I like to learn.
Like I like to get hands on with things.
I like to get into things.
I like to, I like to be able to control some of it if I can, or at least provide prove that I could do a good job so that I get some of that control right and opportunity.
3:40
And within the cannabis industry, if you’re a retail manager, assistant manager, you work at a shop, there’s not a lot of room for movement.
If you own a shop, if you own one of these bigger brands, if you’re at the at the top of the hierarchy there, then you do pretty well.
But as I’ve moved into the mainstream again, I started to notice because this happened, I, I left about a year ago and I’ve been trying to move into the mainstream.
4:06
And, and even like 6 to 8 months ago, I started to notice that in my job applications to newer companies, I think that my, my, my, my time in the cannabis industry had a negative impression or has a negative or yeah, had a negative impression to new businesses like mainstream business.
4:28
And I feel like a lot of people would still still have had like a stigma to it.
Now I’ve noticed in the last probably month or two, maybe 3 months, because I have management qualifications, I’ve done a certification in, in, in project management.
4:44
There’s a little bit more legitimacy to me and maybe I’ve distanced myself enough from it.
But I still love weed and I still love, I still love the industry and I still like having my toes in it, you know, dipping my toes in.
But I’ve noticed, because I’ve gone on a lot of interviews, I’ve really noticed that everybody, everybody dude likes to, to know or wants to know a Stoner or a pothead or somebody that partakes, you know, because even the soothiest of suits, as has in these interviews, if I tell them I’m in Canada or I worked in cannabis, because it’s right on my resume.
5:24
You know, they kind of have this look on their face at first like, Oh, I don’t know.
But then as you explain what you did and as you get into the technical sides of it and and they realize that you’re not just, you know, huffing mass amounts of weed to try and keep your day moving, they kind of go, oh, OK, look, you’re smarter than I thought you were.
5:40
Like, yeah, you know what?
Potheads aren’t dumb.
Potheads are kind of smart.
We do.
We’re it it, it fills this void of curiosity, you know, or it, or it helps to it helps to promote curiosity, I guess you could say, because when you smoke a little bit of weed and you get a little bit reflective, the next thing you know, you’re questioning everything.
6:00
And if you see something that you’re interested in, guess what you’re doing, you’re deep diving that shit.
So as I’ve, as I’ve interviewed with some of these people and they’re very suit oriented people, you know, like very proper, very, you wouldn’t think that they would partake.
And as you have these discussions and, and then as the interview kind of winds down and you start having more of a, a personal discussion rather than a business discussion, and you, you start to note it.
6:25
Like they’ll lean in, they’ll do the whole lean in, right?
They’ll, they’ll lean and go, you know, my cousin or my sister or my brother-in-law or, you know, my grandfather or my father or whatever.
You know, they, they, they smoke a little bit of cannabis and they have this look on their face like they’re telling you that they just met a rock star.
6:44
You know what I’m saying?
And yeah, I found when I think back on those, because I’ve had a few of those moments lately where they kind of like take you to the side and they sidle over.
Like you could be in a boardroom full of people and then almost every single person at that table that’s interviewing you or, or in that board setting will find you after and they’ll corner you.
7:03
And then in hushed tones, they’ll just be like, hey, bro, my, my, my wife smokes a little bit of weight.
You know what I’m saying?
Like they’re trying to get buddy buddy with you, even if they don’t give you the job, even even if they, you know, still have their own connotation or the business has its own connotation towards people that indulge in weed.
7:25
They all got to find this like common ground where it’s like, Hey, I know someone man, I know I do.
I don’t do it.
I don’t, I personally, personally, I don’t do it.
I don’t do it.
I don’t, I don’t do it.
But you know, I know a couple people that do.
That happens every time.
And it used to happen more suddenly, I guess, like, you know, 810 years ago when it had first become legal, because a lot of people obviously didn’t want to be associated with it because it still had this stigma to it that it was negative.
7:54
And I and I thought we got past that.
Like I thought we got past the whole, you know, mush mouth, glazy eyed, lazy Stoner.
Like I thought, I think that at this point where there’s enough people in high power positions or, or or, you know, wealthy intelligent effectors of society that have come out and said, yes, milkweed all the time, dude.
8:18
And that’s how I came up with my processing system, you know, or that’s how I came up with this idea for clean drinking water.
You know what I’m saying?
Like, I thought we got past this whole stigma thing, but there you could tell still tell you could still tell that there’s a slight stigma to it and there’s a slight stigma to it where people will be like eyebrow, I know you didn’t get this job, but like just want you to know my wife smokes a hell a ton of weed.
8:44
Like what are we talking about, dude?
You know, just just admit it.
Especially in Canada, it’s it’s legal.
You could get it at every fucking corner store.
We basically have like coffee shops full of weed.
Like, you know, it’s, it’s comparable to Tim horton’s at this point.
Tim horton’s is on every goddamn corner.
9:00
And guess what?
There’s a pawn shop right next to every single one of them.
I remember one time they tried to open a pawn shop in a gas station.
Do you understand how how heavy the regulations are on pawn shops?
You opening in a gas station’s crazy because you can’t have anybody.
You can’t have anybody.
9:16
No one, no one under the age of 19 is allowed to see in or be in there.
How the hell are you going to open up a pawn shop at the side of a gas station?
Like I don’t know if you go to these on the run places, but on the run you get you can have you get your gas right?
And then they’re like a mini convenience store and then they have some kind of like whether it’s Wendy’s or or Tim horton’s or like Subway or something like that right there.
9:38
So you can buy food too.
Like the days of the Quickie Mart and having like those rotisserie hot dogs are over though.
Now what they have is they have full blown franchises sitting next to the counter, right?
So like, I don’t know why we’re not past this stigma, and I don’t know why everybody wants to like, hush it up and be like, dude, I know you smoke weed and I know you didn’t get the job, but guess what?
10:03
My daughter smokes weed.
She loves that, like everybody, their weed is for everyone, OK?
It’s not a bad thing.
It’s actually very beneficial.
It’s not always beneficial.
I also don’t like the opposite of that.
I don’t like the opposite where everybody goes all going home be like, well, weed’s great for you.
10:21
It’s natural breath.
You should just take it like rub it all over your body and heal yourself.
No, it’s still you’re still putting foreign substances in your lungs.
You know, if you’re eating, if you’re eating it, it’s probably the best way to deal with it because we’re the best way to handle it or ingest it because it it’s it’s less likely at this point with what we understand and what we know, it’s less likely to have negative health impacts.
10:47
Whereas if you’re smoking something like even I’m smoking a vape right now, as clean a process as you can make that vape, right?
Like the the oils in the vape, it’s still a foreign substance in your body that your body is not really supposed to be inhaling.
11:05
So you could still end up with health issues.
So I also don’t like the flip side of I also don’t like the flip side of the discussion where everybody’s too like, it’s good for you, it’s good for you sometimes, OK.
But like it’s this, it’s moderation.
11:20
Anything in moderation you have to have in moderation, right?
So anything doesn’t matter what it is.
And it’s not always healthy for you.
Like people, everything reacts to people in different ways, right?
Like everybody has a different reaction.
So like, you don’t know if somebody ingested something bad is going to happen.
11:40
It’s not going to most likely it’s not going to kill them or hurt them like too bad, but it could still have negative health effects, you know, but that’s not my point.
My point is this it is it never fails to make me laugh when you’re talking to somebody that’s very like square straight edge or, you know, the person that you wouldn’t think that would smoke weed, start talking to you about weed.
12:03
Because they all presented in a way where they know somebody and they’re they sort of like give off the like this sly kind of underside impression.
Like, yeah, you know, I met Mark Tyson, bro.
I met a weed smoker.
A weed smoker is my best friend.
12:19
Like that’s how that’s how they do it.
They try to, you know, they get their, their, their posture changes.
They get this, like, crooked, sly smile of like, I know something, you know, you know, that they think separates them from everyone else.
Here’s the thing.
Since I worked in a pot shop and I saw hundreds of people a day, let me explain something to people.
12:40
If you run a business, it doesn’t matter what business that is, OK?
Whether you’re a cop, a firefighter, A politician, you know, Wall Street dude, high finance, hoity, toity, preppy, whatever, any way you want to classify whatever the business is that they like, the high end, low end, whatever, they’re all in there.
13:01
Dude.
I remember when I had a biz like an HR person tell me like, yeah, I know.
We really frown on people smoking weed.
I went into that business.
I knew everybody.
I didn’t know them because I’m super friendly.
I knew them because I sold them weed and there used to be a time, even when it was first open, like I, I was always the one that went to my kids school to watch like all their sports and like presentations and whatever.
13:26
Like I was that dad, right?
So when I would go, everybody would turn, they would turn away.
They would turn a blind eye.
They’d be like, I don’t know you.
They would like I’d wave.
Nope.
I’d get my hand halfway up to be like, Hey, how’s it going?
And they would turn and walk the other way because they didn’t want other people knowing.
13:42
I think at this point we could safely say that everybody knows everybody smokes weed.
It it would be like saying I don’t drink.
There’s like one in 1000 people that don’t drink.
That’s not true.
Obviously that’s not a real fact, a real statistic.
But my point is this, there’s more people and it’s legal.
13:59
You don’t have to worry about it.
It’s OK to smoke weed.
It’s you’re, it’s allowed.
You’re allowed to have it.
A lot of people do a lot harder things that are not supposed to be doing those things or things that they’re not supposed to do.
But at for whatever reason, when it comes to weed, people like to they like to hide it.
14:15
They like to keep it secret.
They don’t want everybody knowing.
And I don’t really understand that because when I smoke, like I’ll take the dog for a walk and I’ll just huff away on my pen as I walk down the road.
The only problem is sometimes as you’re huffing your pen when you walk down the road, right, you end up maybe in a convenience store to get a bottle of water and then the lights are bright.
14:39
And then you’re in a new in a new environment.
And as soon as you change that environment, guess what happens?
Well, your whole body goes, I’m high.
This is new.
I don’t know anything what’s happening?
I don’t know, you know, And then you have to adjust because as soon as you walk into that new place, your whole body goes, they all know I’m high.
14:58
I better not look high.
But then you act all rigid and then you talk ways that you don’t talk.
Then you forget things.
You stare at people, takes you too long to answer things like what are we talking about here?
I remember what time my buddy and I got baked.
We were on a walk and then we walked into a 711 and we were buying, We needed some more ice for a beer at a cooler at the house.
15:18
And we go and we buy the ice and I give the ice to my buddy thinking he’s going to put it because we’re buying a few things, thinking he’s going to put the ice on the shelf.
Like the counter where you pay for the stuff.
This motherfucker stands there like an industrial robot holding 2 bags of ice with his, like his arms are like a tray and the 2 bags of ice are on his arms.
15:40
We must have been there for probably like, I don’t know, maybe 10 minutes of him just standing there while we waited in line.
I’m like, dude, you want me to take this?
Nope, I don’t want to.
He was so high he didn’t know what to do with them, right?
So everybody’s staring at him.
I’m kind of chuckling to myself because I’m like, this motherfucker is going to be like, he’s going to become Mr. Freeze real soon.
15:58
And then we get to the counter and he still holds them.
We go outside, he takes the bags and he starts holding them by like the tags so that you can, you know, hang, hold them.
And they’re not on your arms.
He’s like, dude, my arms are frozen.
I’m like, yeah, why didn’t you put the bags down?
Like, why did you hang hold it?
That’s the type of shit you do with weed.
16:15
You know, you’re not going out, you’re not harming people, you’re not trying to fight people, you’re not trying to do anything crazy.
You’re just having a good time, you know, vibing out in your head and all the internal thoughts start rolling around.
But everybody wants to know a pothead dude.
16:31
Whether they admit it or not.
There’s like this kind of social status, I think that comes with it where if you tell somebody, hey, like I know somebody that smokes weed, all of a sudden you, it seems like they expect you to look at them like, Oh my God, you know, Jesus.
16:50
No, no, that’s not, that’s not really how it goes.
Everybody, everybody smokes weed.
Trust me, I’ve seen wherever you work.
I’ve seen everyone.
I know them all.
I know them all, maybe not by name, but I know their faces and I know their faces even in the most expensive suits.
Because every day after work, guess what?
17:06
Everybody’s got to brush the bullshit off.
And when you brush the bullshit off, guess what were you doing?
That’s right.
You’re either drinking your face off or you’re puffing a little joint, maybe go for a run, but you’re still puffing a joint.
Even fit people, dude, you go to the gym, ask next time you go to the gym.
If you have buddies that like you only see at the gym, ask them if they smoke before their workout.
17:24
I bet you’d be surprised at how many people actually smoke before a workout.
But that’s, that’s what I love.
That’s what I love about weed.
Dude, when I first started smoking weed, I was, I did, I was 18.
A lot of people start way before that, but I started at 18 because I saw everybody that was at parties that smoked weed.
17:46
We’re always laughing and having a good time.
And I was like, I want to laugh and have a good time.
I love laughing.
Like I love stand up comedy.
Eddie Murphy was my jam growing up.
Like, dude, I must have watched Delirious 100,000 times.
Like I could, I used to do an impression of him, an impression of Eddie Murphy doing an impression of a black guy.
18:04
He’s probably racist now, but it wasn’t then because I was just saying the things that he said on his special because I thought they were fucking hilarious.
But I like laughing.
So I decided to start smoking weed.
And then I went and I smoked weed.
You just have to be careful because weed is so calming and it gets you so reflective that like in your own head, you’re super productive because you’re having thoughts all the time.
18:27
But at the same time outside you’re not doing anything.
You’re just sitting in the couch staring at a wall eating a banana, you know, like or Doritos.
But that’s the that’s the fun of weed.
There’s two aspects to weed that that make it super fun.
18:44
One is the common effect and the other is the giggle factor.
Yeah, that’s right.
You get to, you get, you can, you can sit back, calm, be reflective, look back, look into yourself, make some changes.
But at the same time you can giggle at the stupidest shit.
And who doesn’t love having a little bit of a giggle fest, you know, for no fucking reason on a Thursday?
19:04
Yeah, that’s right.
Weed is fun.
And the stigma is fully removed.
Not fully removed, but it’s definitely moving in the in the more acceptable direction, I guess.
But we still have a little bit of work to do because we got to get past the point of where somebody sidles up beside you after a job interview and goes, dude, my aunt smoked a lot.
19:28
Weird.
As if they’ve got some kind of badge of honor for knowing them.
You know what I’m saying?
Those are my thoughts off the step for this week.
I hope you enjoyed the sesh where I hope you come back next week with me, Justin Baroni on thoughts off the stem.
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20:09
Keep your lids low baby dude.
I burped and I told at the same time.
That’s crazy.

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Everything is Fake: Your Reality is for Sale

Justin Barone host of Thoughts Off The Stem investigates paid protests astroturfing the Manhattan Madam and Crowds on Demand with money flying in the background, everything is fake episode

Everything is fake: Someone slid into my DMs and asked me to have the CEO of Crowds on Demand on the podcast. So I did what any self respecting pothead would do — I went down the rabbit hole.

Crowds on Demand is a real company. Where you can buy a crowd of paid activists for $39.99 per person. Need a protest outside your competitor’s headquarters? Done. Need a packed political rally? Done. Need a fake grassroots movement with hired actors as leaders? Also done.

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The person who reached out to me? Kristin M. Davis — the Manhattan Madam — who is now a PR consultant rebranding scandal-ridden public figures for a living.

He claims he wants to blow the whistle on the fake protest industry. But he won’t name his clients. He won’t name his sources. And his company still sells the exact same service he’s supposedly exposing.

Here’s my take — when you’re whistleblowing you’re supposed to do it for the better of society, not for the better of your bank account.

I broke it all down this week on Thoughts Off The Stem. And at the end of the episode I’m asking you directly — should I have him on the show? Because I genuinely don’t think I’ll get an honest conversation out of him.

Drop your answer in the comments.

Research links from the sesh:https://crowdsondemand.com/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_M._Davishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_on_Demandhttps://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/concerned-citizens-turn-out-to-be-political-theater/2021439/https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-03-14/paid-protester-company-looking-to-hire-7-foot-300-pound-giants-for-intimidation-factor

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0:01
What do a Manhattan Madam and a UCLA graduate have in common?
Is it a conspiracy to use a little black book to blackmail prominent public figures?
Or, you know, is it a flashy night out in Hollywood where the champagne flows and somebody rides their nose through a gauntlet of desk moguls, only to wake up the next morning shocked that they’re next to an unresponsive lady of the night?
0:27
Not exactly, but it is as ick inducing as what I just mentioned.
Welcome to thoughts off the STEM.
I’m Justin Peroni.
I hope that life’s being good to you because today we’re talking about more craziness.
That’s right, more craziness.
So she is the CEO of APR firm for companies and people that want to rebrand themselves.
0:48
He is the CEO of APR firm that hires actors to join protests for wealthy clients.
The company is Crowds on Demand where you can buy a crowd of like minded activists at the economical price of 3999 per activist.
1:09
What are we talking about here man?
Even the happiest place on Earth loses a little bit of its luster when you have to insert yourself in the crowds.
Crowds on demand.
Really, there’s a few things that we should have on demand.
What we should have on demand is things like movies, TV, food, maybe emergency services, healthcare.
1:33
You see what I’m saying here?
And maybe just maybe, you know, on demand, a stiff drink or a joint at the end of the day to get you through or calm down all the craziness that you have to go through throughout the week, right?
And there’s a couple things that we don’t need on demand.
1:51
We don’t need crowds.
We don’t need lines and we don’t need, you know, fake warriors for social causes.
That’s right.
The person that I’m talking about that reached out to me is Kristin Davis.
She’s the CEO of think right PR Kristin Davis.
2:07
Let me just tell you a little bit about her.
OK?
Kristin Davis.
Kristin Davis, previously known as the Manhattan Madam, is a former Madam who is known for running a high end prostitution ring in New York City which claimed to have offered its services to several Hope high profile clients in including Eliot Spitzer, Alex Rodriguez, and David Beckham.
2:28
After her conviction for prostitution related activities, Davis ran a protest campaign for the Governor of New York in 2010 and was poised to run for the New York City Comptroller in 2013 before being arrested and later convicted for distributing drugs.
2:45
Now obviously all the facts aren’t black and white, but here’s the thing.
You’re reaching out to me to talk to your client or partner or whatever, right?
But like, your dealings are nefarious and by his own admission his business is is not what it seems like.
3:04
It is.
Exactly the problem in my opinion with how society is right.
Like everything is fake, dude.
Everything that we see, we hear is manufactured.
And this guy is basically like, yeah, that’s what I do.
3:19
I manufacture everything.
I manufacture.
Protests or protest the thing that we should be manufacturing.
I don’t think so.
I think the protest should be organic, should be filled with people that actually have a, you know, a stake in, in, in what’s going on, what they’re protesting.
3:41
I don’t think we should sign people up based on some billionaire saying, hey, pay some people, write some scripts, send them out there so I look better or so that company looks bad because that’s what he focuses on.
Now, in July 2018, Davis was contacted by the special counsel, Robert Mueller in connection with his investigation of Russian interference.
3:59
So not only was this lady, like, the head of hookers, OK, she was also nailed for distributing drugs.
Now, I don’t totally know what that means.
She says that she was just, you know, helping her friend find some drugs.
But do you really need to go to the street for that?
I’m just saying it’s a little bit nefarious, man.
4:17
OK.
And then in 2016, she, oh, so that was, sorry, I misspoke there.
That was just the end of the sentence after she she was investigated for the Russian interference in 2016 during the US president presidential election campaign.
Now, Davis did end up serving four months in Rikers Island for her involvement in the Spitzer scandal.
4:39
I don’t if you don’t know who Eliot Spitzer is, he had a really big prostitution scandal back in 2010.
It really kind of screwed things up for him.
Now, I do have to mention this because like as much as I’m kind of shitting on her and and you know, get like, I don’t know how you expect me to trust somebody like that.
4:54
I don’t know how you expect me to engage with somebody.
And again, and I’m all for second chances, but it just seems odd that your background is deception.
Your background is criminal and you want me to give a platform to somebody that is trying to influence social commentary or influence the optics of politicians, businesses, industries, product launches, whatever there?
5:31
It’s a very deceitful situation.
So you would think that as somebody like the guy that ran this company, you’d think you’d reach out to somebody that’s not in that kind of position where they kind of have to, you know, work around the fact that, yeah, I did some illegal shit first.
5:49
Like that’s going to come back to haunt you.
That follows you.
But I guess at the same time, it also makes sense because if you’re if you’re capable of running a high end business like that and do it illegally for a long time.
I mean, you’re you’re good.
6:06
You’re good at spinning things, aren’t you?
More than one, if you know what I’m trying, OK.
But yeah, no, I don’t know how they expected me to take them seriously.
I do have to mention, though, that she has done some good.
She actually, Kristin Davis actually is the founder of Hope House.
6:24
Hope House, OK, which helps women in need or women that have suffered, you know, domestic violence, anything, anything really, if they’ve been a part of human trafficking, which again, is another thing, like she didn’t get convicted of human trafficking.
6:39
But if you’re the head of the hookers, are you not essentially human trafficking?
Like, what are we talking about here?
Everything here is just all kinds of red flags, you know what I’m saying?
So she reached out to me to have this guy, Adam Swart, who is the head of crowds on demand.
6:59
Again, a thing that we don’t really need on demand.
Do we need a crowd on demand?
I get it, you want to watch a movie right now, but you want a large crowd right now.
That already seems shady.
Like anyway, she she wanted me to talk about the mechanics or with him, wanted me to talk with him about the mechanics of how crowds are mobilized, funded and and coordinated.
7:24
Is that really a thing that we should be talking about?
Shouldn’t we talk about the grass roots movement or the, the, the actual subject of the protest?
Shouldn’t that be the defining moment or the defining thing that is the reason for it and how to get those people together?
7:44
Because realistically, it’s a short conversation.
You’re going to tell me, hey, I pay people and I write scripts for people to go to protest and, and I make my client look good and I make the other guy look bad.
That’s really what you do, right?
And then you want to talk about why targeting specific, specific decision makers and, and, and concrete demands is often more effective than national protest spectacles.
8:11
You’re creating spectacles, you’re paying people to become a spectacle.
If you look up the stuff that’s the like the job applications, the, the, the jobs, the current available jobs on their website, the, it reads like a casting call.
8:27
It’s not like, Hey, are you good at, you know, petitioning or are you good at, at organizing?
No, no, it’s hey, are you 7 feet tall, £300?
Because we need an intimidating person to be at this, at this crowd.
If you’re not that we don’t need you, don’t apply.
8:42
Like, what are we talking about here, dude?
What is going on?
The other thing she wanted to sort of have him discuss was after organizing advocacy campaigns across the political spectrum, he focused on separating effective civic engagement from performative outrage.
9:02
This sounds like a lot of hokey, pokey dude.
It sounds like it’s the same thing.
Like, so basically the way that he operated OK was that whoever his client would be would pay him a certain amount of money and he would manufacture a crowd or a business to support what the high paying customer wanted.
9:25
Now, if you’re trying to be transparent in all of this, you would think that you would have a list of of your clients available or you would be OK with discussing what their needs were, what how you met them and what you did.
But no, no, he’s essentially keeping a madam’s little black book of people that have paid to protest and he’s lining his pockets for this.
9:48
This is a, this is, is, is a big part of what I’ve been talking about a lot recently.
It’s all about how the media, how people use the media, and how people use information to trick and deceive the public, sometimes political people into getting what they want out of them, right?
10:12
It sounds really bad like to me, I don’t know.
So I deep dove this and I looked into it.
I read some articles, I watched some news clips because apparently he’s been on all the news, right?
And he only gives you PR answers like, well, I can’t give you my, you know, when he gets asked about his customers, I can’t give you my customers.
10:30
But you are saying that you’re trying to turn a new leaf.
You’re not trying to do it the way that you did it because this company has been around since 2012, I believe.
And they started off petitioning people to say, Hey, I can make you look good.
I can make, I can get you attention.
I could do this.
You just pay me and I’ll send some people there to make sure that you look like you’re, you know, your popularity is through the roof and we’ll get you some attention.
10:54
Like it’s paid for.
It’s like, it’s like social media and buying subscribers and views and all that fun stuff.
Like it’s, it’s just, it’s just live action.
It’s a live action version of that.
This guy’s basically set up his own Hollywood studio for protesting it.
11:09
It it sits in, I think a very like it’s very close to that, you know, ethical and moral.
It’s not they say they work in the Gray area.
I say they’re just about falling off the Cliff.
That was the Gray area.
11:25
You know what I’m saying?
It’s this is not the way that we should be operating in society.
This is not how we should be doing the things that that we want these, this is not how we should accomplish progress.
I don’t think so.
Adam Swart, who is the CEO of Crowds on Demand.
11:41
This is basically what Crowds on Demand is.
Crowds on Demand was founded by Adam Swart, a former journalist for AOL’s Patch Network.
The company initially gained attention for offering celebrity the celebrity experience.
I’m doing air quotes services such as fake paparazzi and hired fans primarily in Los Angeles.
12:01
And over time, its offerings expanded to include organized protests, political demonstrations and publicity stunts involving paid actors posing as members of the public.
Now that’s a problem if you’re, I like if you have a product launch or something like that, I feel like this is a beneficial service because you want to get, you know, attention.
12:21
And I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with marketing a product and using actors to promote that product in real time or as live action, you know what I’m saying?
But I do think that if you’re protesting or you’re trying to get political bills passed or political things changed and you know, you’re trying to organize these things, I don’t think that you should have to pay people to go and do it.
12:51
You know what?
I’m, does that not seem shady to you?
Because that seems like the most shady to me.
That seems like a really big problem.
And I know that everybody that that in history, it’s always been done.
But now that it’s like it’s kind of out there and people are approaching others to sort of say like, Hey, we could do this for you.
13:10
And, and we’re starting to lose sight of what real progress is because nothing is real, dude.
I’ve like, everything’s a lie.
Everything is fake.
I basically assume at this point that anything that I watch or read is bullshit and I deep dive everything because I have to make sure that whatever I’m reading is and what I’m taking in is like, I’ve I got to find that middle ground because the middle ground is where the answers lie.
13:36
The middle ground doesn’t, doesn’t lie on the left or right side of these things.
It’s somewhere in the middle because everybody’s skewing everything for their favor, which is, in my opinion, horrible.
OK, if you’re trying to sell a product, product, if you’re trying to get attention to like social media, it doesn’t matter what you’re doing.
13:54
Everything is a facade now.
It used to be the movies, TV, you know, and, and entertainment was a facade, but we knew that we bought into it.
But now everything is from from politics to, to, to, you know, a new business startup.
It’s insane, man.
14:13
It’s absolutely, I don’t know, it seems to me that it’s very we have to watch out for this as a society, we have to watch out and determine whether or not what is being fed to us is the right thing.
Especially now where everybody is on the phone.
14:30
Nobody goes outside and talks to people anymore.
You watch it all on your phone or you’re out there recording it on your phone and you don’t know.
You just assume, Oh my God, look at all.
That’s another thing a lot of people like.
It’s all built on negativity.
It’s all built on shock and awe and, and, and, and riling up emotion, right?
14:48
So like, what are we talking about here?
I’ve said this a few times, but why are we trying to rile up negative emotion?
Why can’t we just be positive?
Why can’t loving somebody and having a good time, being happy, joking around, smiling, laughing, hanging out with friends?
15:03
Why can’t that be the thing that that that shifts public perception or shifts the mindset?
Why?
Because you need controversy?
Because we’re so ingrained and fed with it that we have to fall that we have no choice but to fall head first into that rabbit hole.
15:19
And then it’s, it’s also specifically designed to, to, to suck you in and pull you down like a succubus.
You know what I’m saying?
It’s I don’t know, it’s bad news.
Now some of the I watched, like I said, I’ve watched a few clips on this and I’ve watched a few clips of this guy talk and he doesn’t really say much of anything.
15:39
And if I were to have him on the podcast, I I have to have a few questions answered.
Not in APR fashion.
I need you to tell me things.
So I watched this one clip with Fox News where he was being asked like who his clients were.
15:55
Now I get you don’t no business wants to give up client information, but if you’re trying to transition from the shady, weird, creepy, you know, pay for play kind of kind of dealing dude, right?
You you want to sort of set the record straight and you’re trying to turn that you’re trying to turn that perception into a whistleblower perception.
16:17
Well, a whistleblower, it isn’t like it doesn’t go out there saying, hey, there’s a bunch of companies out there doing this without receipts, dude, OK, this guy had no receipts.
He’s, he’s basically saying, look, I’m just telling you, I did this for a long time.
My company does this and there’s there’s others that are out there.
16:36
So I’m trying to let you know that this is happening.
Well, tell me who’s doing it.
Nope.
He wouldn’t say he had he would not tell anybody who he has dealt with.
The only thing he would say is that he that he turned down, I think it was like $20 million to go against, to set up a protest or something against the Trump campaign.
16:57
Like, give me a break, man.
But the service now by, you know, news Network since about 2016 has basically been characterized like this as astroturfing.
Dan Schneider, writing for The Atlantic, said there might be some Gray area between offering a small token of appreciation to otherwise voluntary supporters and full blown thousands of dollars to prop up a struggling cause.
17:20
Seems to fit more squarely in the later category.
Schneider also noted that Swart admitted a a revelation that a campaign is paying for supporters is deeply embarrassing and he takes great pains to keep his clients identities a secret.
17:36
So this guy recognizes that what he does, and it’s not like his company stopped doing this.
Like if you’re trying to turn yourself into a whistleblower, like maybe maybe actually pivot to whistleblowing.
Like if you look at Julian Assange, he had to leave or she, I’m not sure anymore.
17:52
But the they, that person, Julian Assange had to leave the country and get out because he was in such danger.
Because he turned around and said, hey, here is the receipts, here is everything that is going wrong.
And on top of that, when you’re whistleblowing, you’re supposed to whistleblow for the better of society, not for the better of your bank account, OK.
18:16
And that’s what this guy is doing.
He’s realized that because of the sketchy nature of his business, he’s had to turn it around because I’m sure that people have like said, you know what, this isn’t cool.
And they’ve stopped sort of doing business.
They had stopped doing business with them in about, I don’t know, 20/15/2016.
18:33
His company was still there.
They were still making money, but there was probably a drop off, right?
And then he decides, hey, what I have to do is I have to turn it around so that people understand that.
No, like, I know what I’m talking about.
So he’s trying to position himself as the regulator of an industry that is nefarious, but he’s still doing the nefarious shit.
18:50
Dude, it’s really bad.
We don’t need we don’t need a crowd on demand.
That’s such a stupid concept to me.
Like anyway, a Washington Post columnist mentioned an e-mail he received advertising the company’s celebrity arrival service offer it, which they offered to politicians back in the day.
19:10
He says.
I received an e-mail the other day from Crowds on Demand and LA based company that for for a fee will send a bunch of team members to your event, stuffing the crowd with Confederates to make you look more important.
So this lady who was a Madam, reached out so that she could so that I could have her client, this supposedly UCLA graduate who his his background is in surprise, surprise, his background’s in politics.
19:41
OK, political science media, obviously.
So he understands how to get attention.
He understands how to frame things so that they, they get their point across right.
He’s, he’s got the basis for that.
19:57
And as we all know, it does it like picking a politician is, is picking the, the lesser of two evils.
Like they’re all, they’re all shady in some kind of way, right?
So now he’s supposedly trying to make this pivot to being.
This like white knight for the industry or or this whistleblower for the industry, but he’s not naming names.
20:21
If you’re blowing whistles, you’re naming names.
All he’s doing is repositioning himself.
And essentially, he says, he says that he wants to do this to expose the staged, staged protest industry.
OK.
20:37
The problem with staged protests is, is really in this, it’s in the general public.
I think most people can’t be bothered to protest.
Even if we align with the values of the protests or not.
We just can’t.
We’ve got the prices are too high, life is too expensive.
We don’t have time.
20:53
You know what I’m saying?
And I’m sure that a lot of people would love to make time, but they can’t and they don’t.
And then when they sit back, I think like people like me, I’m included in this too.
We sit back, we look at it, we go, that’s friggin horrible.
We should do something about that, but then we don’t.
That’s on us.
But does that mean that we should move into crowdfunding?
21:14
Is that really what we should be doing?
We should be on demanding crowds now to get it to get like, there’s no, once that protest is done, there’s no actual carry over, right?
They just do that.
They get their change and then that’s it.
21:30
Whether the change is right or wrong too.
Because you could just have a business approach this guy and say, hey, my competitor stock is too high.
I want you to go and affect it by picketing his building and then all of a sudden tank that competitor stock.
Nefarious, the great nefarious.
That’s all I’m saying.
21:45
Dude.
It’s fucked up.
Our society should not be at this point.
We are the most progressive sex portion.
We’re at the most progressive point of our evolution.
And this is still, it’s been going on since the dark ages.
OK with this.
22:01
This needs to be changed.
We need to change this.
We need to stop giving platforms to people like this because ultimately, when you say you want to be a whistleblower, miss, say it again.
You need to drop names, dude.
You can’t just say, oh, well, I know a lot of people do it and I’m not telling you who does it, but I know who do.
22:18
Who dos it?
You can’t do that, man.
This guy, when he was saying he was a, he was creating advocacy groups and staffing them.
The bio says this.
We create advocacy groups and staff them with suitable leadership.
What that really means, OK, is this is the, it’s the, it’s the literal definition of a front group.
22:40
He isn’t finding passionate citizens.
He’s inventing organizations out of thin air, giving them a professional sounding lame name like citizens for X or and hiring actors to pretend to be the staff or the leaders of that of that, that that business.
23:00
Like he’s still doing this dude.
It’s not he hasn’t changed his game plan.
He’s just changed.
He’s just trying to affect public perception again and his own.
It’s, it’s his public perception, like the public perception of him.
23:15
It’s it’s literally a criminals playbook, man.
You, you do your criminal shit and then you in inject yourself into society as a donator or whatever and and all of a sudden you’re kind of protected, right?
Like have we has no, have you, have you, have you, have you seen the mayor of Kingstown?
23:33
It’s basically this.
There’s a whole web, I’m sure around it.
And and there is, if you look all this stuff up, you will find a trail of deceit that goes well into the political spectrum.
You know, so he’s his bio also says he’s shaping mergers and acquisitions.
23:51
Now, normally that would mean like, oh, you’re, you’re being a liaison for companies to grow and build and partner, right.
So he says we shape large public Company Mergers and acquisitions.
Again, what this really means is if a company, if company A wants to buy Company B, Swart might hire people to protest outside company BS headquarters to take their stock price or make them look controversial air quotes again forcing them to accept a deal.
24:17
And it’s essentially A protest for hire used as a weapon in corporate warfare.
It’s all deceit and deception.
It’s the same tactics that the dudes in the manosphere use.
It’s the same tactics that you can use in social media to get attention very quickly and move ahead without like you need to have a positive message.
24:35
That’s what I think.
So the other point that he makes it, this is all in his bio.
You can, you can look it up at crowds on demand.com.
I think it is.
Again, I’ll put these in the show notes and I’ll put them on tots420.com in the in the blog that I write for the episode after.
24:53
But when other strategies have failed, this is what his bio says, amplify their message.
Often when other strategies have failed.
The reality is this means when the truth isn’t working, if a project or person is genuinely unpopular, traditional PR which relies on facts fails.
25:13
That’s when you call Swart to manufacture a fake consensus to trick the public or politicians into thinking there’s support where none exists and and effectively refocusing laws, refocusing bills, refocusing industry.
25:30
Both of these people that approached me to have this guy on utilize A deceitful tactic to engage the public.
She relies on her criminal past to create trust as an expert on corruption because she was a Madam.
25:48
It was a whole she was, she was involved in very high, high profile people and Eliot Spitzer being one of them.
He relies on creating truth through a facade of protest using fake crowds consisting of paid actors.
26:06
He’s trying to promote himself as a whistleblower, like I said, but this is not whistleblowing.
This is stepping to the left.
This is a dude, OK, that has recognized that there’s a major issue with the way that he’s being perceived and he needs a hooker or an ex hooker, an ex Madam.
26:28
I don’t know if she was a hooker.
I shouldn’t say that.
Again, this is all my opinion, OK?
And this is what I’ve found on the deep dive, all right, because I have to check into people that request to be on the podcast, but this is the bigger picture, OK?
He’s using a Madam to step to the left because she’s really good at facilitating perspectives, OK?
26:51
And he is also equally as good at interjecting a crowd to facilitate perspective.
We as a society should be worried about the fact that media, social media and all this technology are being primarily used as a negative push to get our opinions to shift.
27:22
We as people, creators, as part of the bigger group, the world and the human race, should be trying harder to put out good information.
Nothing.
27:38
Things that aren’t deceitful, things that if you’re doing entertainment, I get it, be fun, be funny, have a good time, do what you do for entertainment.
But this should not bleed over to the political landscape.
And the more that social media plays a part in this, the more that you know, AI plays a part in this, and the more that there is an advancement of those technologies, it’s just going to get worse and worse to the point where we can’t figure out what the fuck is happening.
28:05
And then people’s brain get mushed out, turn to mush, and the next thing you know, you can’t.
You don’t know what is is real anymore because everything you see is fake, dude.
Now I want to know if you think I should have this person on.
28:22
I don’t think I’ll get a good discussion with them because I think that if I ask who your people are and how you’re and if you’re a whistleblower, why you’re not telling these things then or at least the businesses that you’ve dealt with, right?
I don’t think that I’ll get, I think I’ll get an answer that is very much a scripted PR answer.
28:39
So I don’t see the point of doing this.
But I do think that there are some good things that could come of this.
I just think it should stay away from protest and political.
I don’t think that there should be a hand or a or or a price tag on skewing opinion.
28:57
I know that there is.
I’m not oblivious and I’m not stupid.
I’m just saying that it as a pothead, somebody that likes to smoke weed, dude, I saw through this right away.
I’m not giving you a platform to tell me how how you should be, how, how you can manipulate media.
29:13
You’re going to try and do that on here.
Now.
You can’t really do it on me because I’m good at what I do and I understand people and I don’t really take shit, but there’s you can’t give that that option.
You know what I’m saying?
Those are my thoughts off the stem for this week.
Hope you enjoyed the sesh.
Hope you come back next week with me.
29:28
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